Thursday, September 27, 2012

Ask a Nurse - or Do You Really Need a Doctor?

There is a shortage of doctors providing primary care in the United States.  No matter how you look at the statistical projections of the growing population and the growing proportion of us who will be older and bear a greater burden of chronic disease, it is clear that we will need more doctors.  And, no matter how you look at projections of the supply of doctors, and especially those providing primary care, it is clear that the supply will fall well short of demand.

A colleague of mine recently sent me an article from one of the leading trade publications outlining the many reasons today's physicians find the practice of medicine frustrating and stressful, including ever-increasing and time-consuming government regulations that are seen as mostly inane and useless.  The other major stressor is constant worry about being sued any time there is an adverse outcome.  We live in a culture of blame, and when a patient experiences an adverse health outcome, the finger of blame will naturally point at his doctor.

So, at just the time when we need more doctors, today's physicians are less satisfied with their work, which means they are deciding to work less, retire earlier, and dissuade their offspring from choosing this profession.

Perhaps, as a society, we should be trying to reverse the trend and make the medical profession more attractive.  But wait.  There is another possibility. Physicians aren't the only ones who can do this job.  There are nurse practitioners.  They can do many of the things doctors can do in primary care. They will work for less money.  What a deal!

If someone can do a job as well as the last person for less money, that has great appeal as a "value proposition."  And the value proposition is important in healthcare when the percentage of our GDP that we spend on it has reached the high teens.

So what about nurse practitioners in primary care?  Do they do as good a job for less money?

To answer that question, we need a lot of data.  We need data on costs and outcomes.  And we need data on outcomes both short-term and long-term.  I'll come back to that in a bit.

If you have a cold or a sore throat and go to a retail clinic or urgent care center staffed by nurse practitioners, you will probably get a lower bill than if you went to see a doctor.  That suggests a favorable value proposition.  But sometimes things are not simple and straightforward, and sometimes you need someone with a deeper understanding of your problem.

Last week a woman sustained a minor head injury and went to an urgent care. The nurse practitioner looked her over and told her she should go to the hospital emergency department.  She followed that advice.  After waiting several hours - because it was Monday, and emergency departments are often crazy busy on Mondays, which means long waits for those who are not critically ill or injured - she saw a doctor.  The doctor took a history and did a proper neurologic examination.  Drawing on a deeper understanding of head injuries and a thorough familiarity with what the scientific literature tells us about the proper way to evaluate patients with head injuries, the doctor told the patient she did not need a CAT scan of the head - which was the main reason she had been sent to the ED.

So now the patient has a visit to an urgent care, to which has been added a visit to an ED, where she had to wait a long time, and for which she will get a second bill, higher than the first one.  How's the value proposition now?

About now you may be thinking, couldn't we just teach the nurse practitioner how to do a better job evaluating the patient with a minor head injury?  Sure we could. We could teach the nurse practitioner how to do a better job at just about anything.  That would take some time, though.  And the reason doctors are more expensive than nurse practitioners is that it takes longer to train someone to that level.  You see where I'm going with this.

To the best of my knowledge, there are very limited data on outcomes in primary care - and no long-term outcomes data - comparing physicians with NPs.  Such an absence of data leaves me free to answer the question based entirely on my opinions - which, as you know, are invariably carefully considered, unassailable in their logic, brilliant in their exposition, and wise beyond compare.  Oh, and they are always correct.  *Now extracting tongue from cheek, not without considerable difficulty.* 

My internist is a fellow who was several years ahead of me in training.  When I go to see him, I know he will follow all guidelines-based recommendations for primary and secondary prevention of chronic diseases.  I know a primary care nurse practitioner would do the same thing.  I admit to preferring the physician over the nurse, because if I have questions about the science underlying the recommendations, I know which one is more likely to be able to answer them to my satisfaction.

I am also aware that sometimes I need an internist to do more than follow guidelines and recommendations for my healthcare.  Sometimes I need him to figure out what is wrong with me.

And there is something else that comes into play here.  Sometimes knowing more and having a deeper understanding leads to doing less.  (Recall the simple example of the minor head injury.)  Very often a smart doctor can figure out what is wrong with you by taking a focused history, asking all the right questions, and doing a careful physical examination for signs of disease.  The doctor may be 93% sure about what is wrong with you without doing any tests.  Imagine how much money could be saved if you trust his clinical judgment and give him permission to refrain from spending any of your money on tests to raise the diagnostic certainty from 93% to 99%.

I have worked side-by-side with nurse practitioners for nearly three decades, including some I've thought were very capable.  I am still waiting to meet a nurse practitioner I might judge to be an astute diagnostician.

This is hardly surprising.  One can become a nurse practitioner by starting as an RN/BSN and taking an online master's degree program, while an internist has four years of medical school and three years of residency after the bachelor's degree.  To expect the two to have similar abilities in the aspects of practice that rely on a foundation of education in the sciences is quite unreasonable.

Let us begin with the assumption that, among bachelor's-degree RNs, only the best and the brightest decide to go on to earn master's (or doctoral) degrees and become nurse practitioners.  Now I'm going to look at that population of students and ask a simple question.  How many of them would do well in the year of organic chemistry required of pre-meds and commonly used as a "weeder" course?  My daughter Rose is very bright and hard-working.  I know this because I lived with her in the same household for nearly two decades.  And I saw how hard she had to work to get grades in organic chemistry last year that would meet with the approval of a medical school admissions committee.

Do you have any children still in school?  Think about the smartest kid in your child's class.  Maybe it's your kid.  That kid could go to medical school or law school or choose any other of a number of career paths.  Now remember, she's the smartest kid in the class.  When you are older and sick, what do you want her to be?  Do you want her to be the consultant other doctors call when they are trying to figure out how to keep a perplexing illness from killing or disabling you? Or do you want her to be the lawyer your family calls when things don't go well and they want to find out whether your doctors are to blame?

I believe the bottom line is very simple.  If we want excellent medical care in the United States, we need excellent doctors.  If we want excellent doctors, we must understand the importance of getting the best and brightest of our nation's youth to choose this profession.  Some of my older colleagues believe the "golden age" has passed for the medical profession, and the practice of medicine will never be as enjoyable or rewarding as it once was.  I believe we can and must bring back that golden age.

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  1. Your comment, "One can become a nurse practitioner by starting as an RN/BSN and taking an online master's degree program," is misleading.

    To take certiification exams, to get state licensure as a NP, while some coursework may be online, faculty supervised clinical hours are required.

    http://www.nursecredentialing.org/AcuteCareNP-Eligibility.aspx

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  2. Point taken, but the fact remains that there is a very large difference between the science curriculum for NPs and physicians (more rigorous undergraduate requirements for pre-meds plus two challenging years of "basic science" in medical school), and the clinical experience is 5 years (last two years of medical school plus three years of residency) for primary care physicians, which is far more than for a nurse practitioner.

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  3. For those interested in further reading, I can suggest one reference, which is the only high-quality systematic review of the literature I could find: Systematic review of whether nurse practitioners working in primary care can provide equivalent care to doctors. BMJ 2002;324:819. This is from Cochrane Reviews. A careful reading of this review shows that most of the outcomes data are short-term, and the well-designed randomized studies are of patients who requested same-day appointments for minor acute illnesses as their entree into a primary care practice. Long-term outcomes data (beyond 6-12 months) are lacking, at least as far as I could determine from my own literature search. Some of the studies do show slightly better patient satisfaction with nurse practitioners, who tend to spend more time with patients. Some of the studies suggest that nurse practitioners order more tests and request more consultations. In general, this literature raises more questions than it answers, but I don't want my readers to get the idea from what I've written that there are no data or that no one is investigating these important research questions. The point I'm making is that we don't have answers to the essential questions.

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    1. My priority as a nurse practitioner is the well-being of my patients and my community. I am always interested in hearing negative comments towards the profession of advanced practice nurses because "devil's advocates" can sometimes shed light, and help improve ongoing issues. Perhaps you could learn more about nurse practitioners and their excellent outcomes from this very well-known and authoritative report published by the Institute of Medicine: http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2010/The-Future-of-Nursing-Leading-Change-Advancing-Health.aspx

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    2. Thanks for the link. The IOM document, a consensus report that cites no evidence, does not, as far as I could discover on first reading, mention anything about "excellent outcomes." It advocates substantial improvements in education and training for nurses, including programs akin to residency training for Advanced Practice Nurses (APNs). It goes on to advocate the elimination of barriers to expanded scope of practice for such highly educated and trained APNs, but it makes clear that they are not a substitute for physicians or a solution to the physician shortage.

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  4. I am wondering if you actually looked to see if there are any longitudinal studies regarding nurse practitioners? Rather than an intellectually stimulating commentary about NP's you resort to the same tired old anecdotes and assumptions...nurses (and thus NP's) are just not as smart as doctors. You bash rather than provide any real solution(s) to the future of health care. NP's have been around since the 1960's...far longer than residency trained emergency physicians. I have not done a comparison, but I would venture a guess that there are more studies about NP care and patient out comes than there are comparing outs of patients in the ED cared for by residency trained EM physicians versus non residency trained physicians! You present anecdote and expect us to buy it as gospel. You resort to suggesting that NP's do not read the literature, and read off a script versus using their brains and scientific knowledge. EVERY week I get patients in the ED sent by their physician for a CT of the head. I rarely order one. Stunning as it might be, I actually have learned how to question patients, and do an exam AND read the literature...and you may want to pop a Valium here...and breath deeply... but I actually know pathophysiology....I have been an NP for 20 years, and was an ED nurse for 10 years prior. I could fill an entire library with "evidence" of nurses saving the lives of patients (not to mention the butts of physicians) by their intelligence and breadth of knowledge. Why not something fresh, interesting, unique about the potential for NP's and physicians to collaborate in the future? Why not write about how we can enhance education, and mentoring fo NP's in the ED so we can provide the best care? This,is just dull and intellectually lazy...I have yet to be sued, yet to kill a patient...but I guess I'm not smart, or good at what I do, Im just lucky. Let me give you some anecdotes of my own...I graduated top of my class, high school, college and grad school (twice). I ace'd chemistry in hs, college and grad school. I tutored premed students in calculus. I did a two year Burns Emergency Trauma Masters and a two year Family heath Masters...not an online course to be found. I speak 4 languages fluently. I've climbed the highest mountains in the world. I teach rock climbing. I frequently travel to my home in West Papua, Indonesia to provide dumbed down medical care to those poor unsuspecting tribes people. I became a nurse for one reason and one reason alone, because I watched NURSES provide care in one of the most remote areas of the world with not a physician in sight. They did surgery, they set bones, they successfully delivered babies in devastating circumstances, and they even managed head injured patients without doing CT's... countless lives (I suppose you would call them outcomes data) were saved as a result of their intelligence, brilliance and compassion. I watched them and wanted to be just like them. I never met anyone who could beat them at a game of scrabble, much less who was worthy to wash their feet. In my 30 years of nursing, I have yet to be so awed by a physician, that I wanted to be just like them...not once. THAT, Sir is how I feel about the nurses I know.... that I have yet to met a physician who is worthy to wash their feet. You prove one thing only, by this blog and its subsequent (unfortunate) reprinting in ACEP NEWS, that physicians are still arrogant enough to believe that they and only they can provide excellent patient care and outcomes; that physicians are arrogant enough to believe that they are somehow better than the nurses and ancillary staff with whom they work; that nurses are ultimately less than you are; and the utter arrogance of suggesting that a smart, loving parent would never want their smart kid to be an NP. You title your blog, "The Wisdom of Solomon"...my response... not even hardly.

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  5. Well, you have obviously taken me at my word that I welcome diatribes, invective, and vituperation, as I mention in my profile that accompanies this blog in the side panel. You have inferred a great deal from what I have written that simply isn't there, which I find unfortunate. I am impressed with what you've written about your own background. If you have specific literature to share that supports your position, I would be delighted to read it. I did a careful literature search before writing this essay and arrived at a conclusion that you obviously find disagreeable. I do not expect anyone to accept anything I write as "gospel." The readers of ACEP News, who apparently include you, are much too smart for that.

    I was moved to write this column when my colleague sent me an article about the occurrence and causes of physician burnout, which I see as a serious problem at a time when there is a marked and worsening shortage of physicians in the US. It has been suggested that physician extenders are the solution to the problem. The point I am trying to make is simply that that is not the answer, and rather we should be trying to make the health professions more attractive to all who may be interested in pursuing such careers. As I have noted, I have worked with nurse practitioners (and physician assistants) for 30 years, and I am certainly not suggesting that collaborative practices are not of great value.

    You refer to the "utter arrogance of suggesting that a smart, loving parent would never want their smart kid to be an NP." Nothing I wrote suggests any such thing. What I did say is that I want the best and the brightest to choose medicine over law, if that is the choice under consideration, but I am not suggesting there are no other good choices. We need more engineers, too. I'm married to one. And more outstanding teachers of mathematics, which was the career choice of my other daughter.

    You say you "have yet to be so awed by a physician" that you found him or her worthy of emulation. How unfortunate. I have had the privilege of meeting quite a few over the course of my career. You say, and I quote, "THAT, Sir is how I feel about the nurses I know.... that I have yet to met a physician who is worthy to wash their feet." That is a truly remarkable blanket statement that makes me wonder how you could possibly tolerate being in a collaborative relationship with any physician. Does it, perhaps, say more about personal animus than you really meant to reveal?

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  6. If I misunderstood your article, then I certainly apologize. However, you are writing an article entitled "Ask a Nurse...." which led me to believe that your segway from nurses and organic chemistry into the paragraph regarding doctors and lawyers, that one would want their child to be the super sub specialist consultant OR the lawyer called when the (NP) who made the mistake was called...my mistake if that isn't what you intended. My understanding of those particular paragraphs suggested that nurses just are not as smart as doctors... if that is not what you intended to say, than I stand corrected. In my defense, I gave your article to my collaborating physicians who have taken great enjoyment out of selecting certain lines and repeating them to me through out our work day... Given the title of your article, and preceding paragraph, I did indeed make an assumption. Yes I have worked with fine physicians (I have been married to one for 25 years) who have certainly mentored me and taught me and treat me like a colleague, and not a subordinate. However, when push comes to shove, those physicians have access and respect that is often undeserving. MUCH of what physicians declare as his or her success in patient outcomes is most often a collaborative result from a team of people which is all but ignored. I took great offense to your paragraph regarding head injuries, as it is very regularly that we have head injured patients sent to our ED from physicians....In my 20 years I've never had one sent from an NP....I just don't think this type of article is useful for the conversation about the future of health care. Perhaps you didn't intend it to be insulting, merely thought provoking, but it IS insulting. Much of what you raised is absolutely worthy of further discussion,, but the organic chemistry comment...simply insults and stops any valid discussion in its tract. I KNOW my physician husband has years more education than I do, but I also know that there are many times when he has called me to ask about certain types of patients that he KNOWS I know more about than he, as do most of the physicians with whom I work. That's why its called collaboration. We should be having conversations about NP (and PA) education. EVEN I have huge issues with current trends (Im old...I actually had to attend classes, often with med students and residents...and touch patients), We should be having conversations and discussions about how best to mentor and train and educate providers across the spectrum that will best serve our patients. And we SHOULD question and analyze the validity of all health care research. Those are not the paragraphs to which I took issue. Im not entirely certain what you mean by the "golden age of medicine" (and I know better than to make an assumption), frankly I think the best of health care possibilities when we consider working together versus one that is physician centric are quite remarkable... I think THAT was the message I heard at the ACEP conference opening panel discussion in October....if by golden age of medicine, one wishes for the time when nurses (and patients) got up from their chairs and would genuflect when a physician walks into the room, those days are over....if what is meant is that it is only the physician at the bedside that matters...yeah, those days are gone....no one practices in a vacuum. There is a myth of independent practice, but the fact is we all consult, we all need to collaborate, and when we do, the out comes for our patients are much better. My husband knows you and tells me you are a good guy...I will trust his judgement on that. For the record, he DOES bemoan the early days when nurses got up when he walked in the room...sadly, for him it doesn't happen in his ED OR in his home....

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    1. This is an interesting exchange. I'm not sure that all of what an ongoing thread would contain would be of interest to most who've read this essay. Please feel free to email me at rsolomon@acep.org if you would like to continue the dialogue. I'd love to reply to some (or even all) of the points you raise here privately.

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