Thursday, December 29, 2011

Ron Paul, Evolution, and Iowa

The latest polls in this week before the Republican caucuses in Iowa show surprising levels of support for the presidential candidacy of Ron Paul. (Frankly, at this point in the fascinating prelude to the "silly season," with polling showing a dizzying sequence of "flavors of the month," I'm not sure we should be surprised by anything.) And so I find myself doing some reading about what Congressman Paul has to say (and has said over the years) about issues of importance to me.

Dr. Paul was an obstetrician/gynecologist before he went into politics. Despite the fact that he has now been in politics for many years (a member of the House as far back as the 70s), he has nevertheless been more than willing to tell people what he really thinks about a broad range of issues. This, for those of you who completely ignore the U.S. political scene, is most unusual.

There was an interesting recent thread on a listserv to which I subscribe, one whose members are interested in emergency care. My colleagues on this list go "off topic" (meaning they discuss things of marginal relevance to emergency care) quite often, which is maddening to some and quite entertaining to others. One of the frequent contributors is an ardent proponent of libertarian political philosophy, and he has taken opportunities to enlighten the rest of us about some of Congressman Paul's views.

Those who are disposed to challenge the libertarian perspective - and who don't much care for Ron Paul - have posted messages about controversial statements made by Dr. Paul over the years. And so a recent thread was launched (perhaps I should say spun, as one would surely find a challenge in the physics of launching a thread) about whether Paul believes in evolution.

It seems the good doctor has some uncertainties about this, and this has led many participants to draw conclusions about his critical thinking skills and about whether all of that education in the sciences was somehow lost on him.

So I did a bit of reading on the Web to find out what the congressman has actually said, and I find myself inclined to agree with him. Not about the soundness of the theory of evolution, but about its place in public discourse in the context of a presidential campaign.

The Republican caucuses in Iowa are strongly influenced by Christian conservatives, and these are people who typically have very definite views about evolution. They tend to believe that evolution and intelligent design are competing theories about how life as we know it came to be and that these theories should be taught side by side in public schools.

Professional educators - particularly those who run public schools - are fiercely opposed to this notion and say it is preposterous to expect teachers to present articles of religious faith alongside scientific theory with some sort of implication that they are equally "plausible" - when, in fact, they represent two entirely separate ways of thinking about life.

So it isn't possible to have a public discussion of evolution and creation and how these ideas relate to each other without getting into the morass that is the highly politicized and emotionally charged controversy surrounding public education and its connection to separation of church and state.

I might like to know what Congressman Paul has to say about that - and I consider it much more important than what he thinks about the theory of evolution. The libertarian position he espouses actually makes his answer to this question pretty straightforward: questions about evolution are strictly a matter of one's personal beliefs and inclination to think in scientific versus spiritual terms, not terribly relevant for a politician, unless one gets into the messy argument over public education, which can be largely avoided by getting the federal government entirely out of the business of public education and giving parents tax credits to let them choose whatever schools they want (or none at all, opting for home schooling).

Yet we will still have public schools (there seems no easy way around that), and so we will have state and local school boards making decisions about curricula. If they decide to include intelligent design, there will be challenges in the federal courts on church-state-separation grounds. Thus it becomes more important to ask Ron Paul how he is going to find Supreme Court appointees who agree with his originalist interpretation of the Constitution. That means what the framers had in mind, which was simply that there should be no official Church of the United States as there was a Church of England - not that religion or religious teaching should be excluded from all spheres of life touched by public dollars. And if he can find some, can he get the Senate to confirm them? Good luck with that, Congressman.

4 comments:

  1. Personally, as a lesbian, I find Dr. Paul to be just this of the stone age with his attitude about the LGBT community.

    Just like every professional politician, Ron Paul is spouting what he thinks will land him the nomination, so what he actually thinks and what he feels he must say to cinch the Presidency are two entirely different matters.

    I'm sorry to crash your discussion as I realize you're all a collection of medical doctors. I do hold two M.A.'s, one in clinical psychology, and a PhD in Theology, so I do feel at least some qualification to trade comments with such a distinguished crowd of men and women.

    I'm also a close friend of Ted Switzer's and he made me aware of your discussion so I hope you don't mind.

    Using religion to sell yourself is something that seems so despicable that I can't even fathom it sometimes. I think "Only in America could we sink so low!"

    Many think Paul's economic and foreign policies are correct. I guess I will just have to agree to disagree on that account. I think Ron Paul is dangerous to say the least.

    He's seeking, as are all the potential Republican candidates, to rewrite our constitution, our history, and turn our nation into a plutocracy.

    The latter goal, plutocracy, should be what scares us the most.

    Calling it a "plutocracy" is renaming something that is all too familiar to the United States already and should send shivers through our very shivers through our spines. We fought it during World War II and thousands of American's died trying to free Italy from it.

    It was called "fascism" then.

    Life magazine interview Benito Mussolini in 1938 and asked him a simple question but it's very pertinent to our world today.

    The question was, "Why did you invent 'fascism'?"

    His response was:

    “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

    Therefore "plutocracy" should scare the ever loving fecal matter out of each and every one of us.

    Stephanie Donald
    Editor/Publisher
    LGBT-Today.com

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  2. This blog, unlike the listserv to which this particular essay refers, is not restricted to any particular professional audience. Only about 60% of the essays are related to health care. Comments are welcome from all readers interested in engaging in civil intellectual discourse.

    I would be interested in knowing why you think Ron Paul seeks to turn our nation into a plutocracy, although many would say we are already effectively governed by the wealthy and powerful.

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  3. Sorry to engage in internet conversation which is against my resolution to not do this sort of thing because it brings out the crazies. But this forum appears to be of a more enlightened audience, despite the fact that the comments have gone off-topic.

    A Google search for "Ron Paul Evolution" brings a list, the first of which is a report http://www.thedailybackground.com/2007/12/21/ron-paul-just-another-texas-republican-who-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/
    which has a transcript of a portion of an interview from December 21, 2007:

    QUESTIONER: …All of the candidates were asked if they believe the theory of evolution to be true, but I didn’t see [your answer] and I’m wondering, do you believe it to be true or false?

    REP PAUL: Well, first I thought it was a very inappropriate question for the presidency to be decided upon a scientific matter. And uh, I uh, I think it’s a theory. The theory of evolution. And I don’t accept it as a theory. [snip] The creator that I know created us, each and every one of us and created the universe, and the precise time and manner and uh, you know, I just don’t think we’re at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side.
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    For the Daily Background article, Arlen Parsa wrote:
    "A few quick notes though. First of all, I don’t think anybody is basing their vote for president solely on whether or not the candidates believe in evolution, but it’s a very legitimate question to ask, because it demonstrates quite a bit about where each potential president would side on conflicts such as public schools trying to allow creationism religion to be taught, and also illustrates a broader point about how comfortable the candidates are with science in general. Obviously Rep Paul is not particularly comfortable with basic science in this case. He also is against expanding funding of embryonic stem cell research (he’s staunchly “pro-life”), and has said global warming is “fear-mongering.”

    Michael Milliken
    Dallas

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  4. Comments on this blog are not moderated, but please allow me to remind you that there is no such thing as "off-topic," as long as your comments are related to the original thread. The blog itself is intended to be eclectic, as past entries, with topics ranging from team payrolls in Major League Baseball to epidemiologic studies purporting to show an association between cancer and use of acetaminophen, clearly demonstrate.

    Now let me take issue with the notion that Ron Paul "is not particularly comfortable with basic science." You cannot complete eight years of post-secondary education (college and medical school) and not be "comfortable with basic science." But evolutionary theory is, I think, not at all basic. Acquiring an understanding of the evidentiary basis for the theory is a serious intellectual undertaking. I surmise that Paul is no expert in this area. I also surmise that he finds more spiritual "comfort" in creationism, although that is mere conjecture on my part.

    An obstetrician who firmly believes that life begins with conception can legitimately have reasons for opposition to embryonic stem cell research quite logically based on a synthesis of his scientific opinion and his moral values.

    Finally, while global warming itself is not fear mongering, like some other important areas of scientific inquiry it has become an intensely politicized subject.

    We should make every effort to de-politicize scientific inquiry. But when the average citizen has very limited understanding of the science, we really have our work cut out for us. Have you seen how little science is in the required high school curriculum? Try to involve an average teenager in a discussion of some of the basics of primate evolution, and you'll discover that "Homo erectus" is known only as the name of a 2007 cinematic comedy. Or, worse, you might get a puzzled look followed by the question, "Is that gay porn?"

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